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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 9:27 pm

Unabletothinkofname wrote:No one noticed my chirpy optimism. -.-
Noone has time for your bullshit optimism. That shit died with Winston and if you don't know who I'm referring to I forgive you cause you are Irish.

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 10:39 pm

Well, the CIA said they'll be releasing pictures, so I'll hold them to their word.

Still though, all this celebrating is weird. It just doesn't feel right at all.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 03, 2011 10:44 pm

Furburt wrote:Well, the CIA said they'll be releasing pictures, so I'll hold them to their word.

Still though, all this celebrating is weird. It just doesn't feel right at all.
I for one am glad the bastard is dead.

Minus one of the major members of the disease that are the culture destroying Islamics.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 10:45 pm

Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

These days you don't know what's going on. You can either believe the TV or the internet. Both sources are equally credible.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 03, 2011 10:45 pm

PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Tue May 03, 2011 10:46 pm

Further flaws...


"Osama dies in ABBOTTABAD,PAKISTAN"

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&biw=1400&bih=836&q=ABBOTTABAD&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

How does that make sense? Zoom out and look how far away the sea is......

How could that be practical!?! How could the body get to the sea and be disposed of without any evidence??

Just seems impractical...

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 10:49 pm

@Demented Teddy: I'm not disputing the fact he's a murdering cunt, but celebrating death of any sort, no matter who, always seemed abhorrent and barbaric to me. Death is sacred.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 10:51 pm

Wiggl.Y. Selassie wrote:Further flaws...


"Osama dies in ABBOTTABAD,PAKISTAN"

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&biw=1400&bih=836&q=ABBOTTABAD&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

How does that make sense? Zoom out and look how far away the sea is......

How could that be practical!?! How could the body get to the sea and be disposed of without any evidence??

Just seems impractical...
Because the US navy seals are the elite of the elite and they know exactly what they are doing and they are fighting a just cause for the freedom and liberty of all that shit.

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 10:52 pm

FUCK YEAH

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 10:55 pm

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PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.
Ok I'll explain it in a non subjective way.

The allies fought off a genuine threat to their own countries and ideals.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 10:56 pm

My point still stands.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 10:57 pm

and Teddy would you actually be happy living in a world where you are told how to live your life, what's wrong and what's right, and generally be treated like a child regardless of your age because your government doesn't trust you to look after yourself?

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Post by Dead Herald on Tue May 03, 2011 10:58 pm

PayJ567 wrote:and Teddy would you actually be happy living in a world where you are told how to live your life, what's wrong and what's right, and generally be treated like a child regardless of your age because your government doesn't trust you to look after yourself?

You mean like America?

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Dead Herald wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:and Teddy would you actually be happy living in a world where you are told how to live your life, what's wrong and what's right, and generally be treated like a child regardless of your age because your government doesn't trust you to look after yourself?

You mean like America?

A fascist police state? Yes.

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Post by Terria on Tue May 03, 2011 10:59 pm

I think with all the possibilities there are, there's a lot that people are forgetting.

Mainly the fact that he has six horcruxes left.

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PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.
Ok I'll explain it in a non subjective way.

The allies fought off a genuine threat to their own countries and ideals.
Objectively, the Nazis promised to gain back Germany's power and glory and respect after it was destroyed by World War One's victor's justice.

Germany was economically ruined, they lost territories to other nations, they were barely even allowed to have an army and they owed massive debt.
Nationalistic feeling's were high, they felt victimized, bullied and beaten.
The Nazis promised to correct that.

I commend the Nazis for not taking all that shit and actually doing something about their situation. Now, I do condemn them for the genocide and mass discrimination, just in case you though I was implying that I do not.

The Allies brought World War Two upon themselves.

And I am not even taking into account the other Axis nations.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:03 pm

Freebird wrote:I think with all the possibilities there are, there's a lot that people are forgetting.

Mainly the fact that he has six horcruxes left.
I don't get to laugh cause I've never like harry potter. IT IS SAD DAY!

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Post by Terria on Tue May 03, 2011 11:07 pm

PayJ567 wrote:
Freebird wrote:I think with all the possibilities there are, there's a lot that people are forgetting.

Mainly the fact that he has six horcruxes left.
I don't get to laugh cause I've never like harry potter. IT IS SAD DAY!
Damn you, filthy mudblood.

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PayJ567 wrote:and Teddy would you actually be happy living in a world where you are told how to live your life, what's wrong and what's right, and generally be treated like a child regardless of your age because your government doesn't trust you to look after yourself?

You just described totalitarianism as if you were a child just hearing about it in school.
I actually have ideals and opinions, I do not desire a petty vague "father knows best" state.
Never mind the fact that I advocate balance between Authoritarianism and full-blown totalitarianism.
Idealistic authoritarianism is a means to an end and a means of preserving the end once it's achieved.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:09 pm

Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.
Ok I'll explain it in a non subjective way.

The allies fought off a genuine threat to their own countries and ideals.
Objectively, the Nazis promised to gain back Germany's power and glory and respect after it was destroyed by World War One's victor's justice.

Germany was economically ruined, they lost territories to other nations, they were barely even allowed to have an army and they owed massive debt.
Nationalistic feeling's were high, they felt victimized, bullied and beaten.
The Nazis promised to correct that.

I commend the Nazis for not taking all that shit and actually doing something about their situation. Now, I do condemn them for the genocide and mass discrimination, just in case you though I was implying that I do not.

The Allies brought World War Two upon themselves.

And I am not even taking into account the other Axis nations.
Yeah I know all this but none of this has anything to do with my original point which I can't get out without rambling on for about 10-20 lines of progressive thought.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 03, 2011 11:10 pm

PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.
Ok I'll explain it in a non subjective way.

The allies fought off a genuine threat to their own countries and ideals.
Objectively, the Nazis promised to gain back Germany's power and glory and respect after it was destroyed by World War One's victor's justice.

Germany was economically ruined, they lost territories to other nations, they were barely even allowed to have an army and they owed massive debt.
Nationalistic feeling's were high, they felt victimized, bullied and beaten.
The Nazis promised to correct that.

I commend the Nazis for not taking all that shit and actually doing something about their situation. Now, I do condemn them for the genocide and mass discrimination, just in case you though I was implying that I do not.

The Allies brought World War Two upon themselves.

And I am not even taking into account the other Axis nations.
Yeah I know all this but none of this has anything to do with my original point which I can't get out without rambling on for about 10-20 lines of progressive thought.
Your original point was that "The allies are holy saviors and the Axis are evil incarnate!"

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:11 pm

Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:and Teddy would you actually be happy living in a world where you are told how to live your life, what's wrong and what's right, and generally be treated like a child regardless of your age because your government doesn't trust you to look after yourself?

You just described totalitarianism as if you were a child just hearing about it in school.
I actually have ideals and opinions, I do not desire a petty vague "father knows best" state.
Never mind the fact that I advocate balance between Authoritarianism and full-blown totalitarianism.
Idealistic authoritarianism is a means to an end and a means of preserving the end once it's achieved.
Can I read your thingy then. So I can better understand where you are coming from.

and the above was the most simplistic way getting across the point if you aren't happy living as a citizen you can't support the corner.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:13 pm

Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:Noone knows the situation anymore. It was all simpler in WW2 when our enemies where actually evil and the allies although they committed several war crimes and shit where generally fighting for a good cause.

Such things are subjective Joey.
Ok I'll explain it in a non subjective way.

The allies fought off a genuine threat to their own countries and ideals.
Objectively, the Nazis promised to gain back Germany's power and glory and respect after it was destroyed by World War One's victor's justice.

Germany was economically ruined, they lost territories to other nations, they were barely even allowed to have an army and they owed massive debt.
Nationalistic feeling's were high, they felt victimized, bullied and beaten.
The Nazis promised to correct that.

I commend the Nazis for not taking all that shit and actually doing something about their situation. Now, I do condemn them for the genocide and mass discrimination, just in case you though I was implying that I do not.

The Allies brought World War Two upon themselves.

And I am not even taking into account the other Axis nations.
Yeah I know all this but none of this has anything to do with my original point which I can't get out without rambling on for about 10-20 lines of progressive thought.
Your original point was that "The allies are holy saviors and the Axis are evil incarnate!"
No it fucking wasn't. I was using WW2 as an example of how wars where genuinely justified back then and now noone has a fucking clue what's going on and you can't trust anything you are being told.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:14 pm

You can't just take half of what I said and decide to argue that. Not everything I say on the internet has to be completely air tight with perfect logic and accounting for every fucking factor. Especially when it has nothing to do with the fucking point I was making.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:15 pm

You know what you just did is called? Picking a fucking fight.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 03, 2011 11:16 pm

World War Two was a state of Total War, when every single resource, military, economy, the citizens etc. are all put towards the war effort.

That was REAL warfare.

Modern warfare is just a bunch of small scale skirmishes mostly fighting guerrilla terrorist groups , these, and with the mass expansion of the media, allows for far more speculation, lying and what-not.

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 11:18 pm

It's not a conventional war, but I don't say how something like Afghanistan is any less of a war than WW2.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 03, 2011 11:20 pm

PayJ567 wrote:You can't just take half of what I said and decide to argue that. Not everything I say on the internet has to be completely air tight with perfect logic and accounting for every fucking factor. Especially when it has nothing to do with the fucking point I was making.

PayJ567 wrote:You know what you just did is called? Picking a fucking fight.

I'll deal with this later, when I can get a hold of the laptop again, for now, I will still be on, but only on my iPod and you're fucked if you think I am arguing via that.

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Post by Dead Herald on Tue May 03, 2011 11:21 pm

@Furburt We were in Afghanistan for years. Why? We knew as early as 04 that Bin Laden was in Pakistan. All we did in Afghanistan was chase shadows.

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Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:22 pm

To be honest none of us can genuinely argue about Afghanistan and all that bullshit as noone but those in power truly knows what's actually going on. These sorts of discussions will best be saved for the history rooms of the future when they have all the facts and they simply make up their own opinions on who was in the right or wrong.

That's providing it's ever released and not completely censored out of existence.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Tue May 03, 2011 11:26 pm

PayJ567 wrote:To be honest none of us can genuinely argue about Afghanistan and all that bullshit as noone but those in power truly knows what's actually going on. These sorts of discussions will best be saved for the history rooms of the future when they have all the facts and they simply make up their own opinions on who was in the right or wrong.

That's providing it's ever released and not completely censored out of existence.

Doubt it man..... all the interesing conspiracies get destroyed SadSadSadSadSad

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Who was in truth based off of Haile Sellassie!

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 11:27 pm

Hell, there's still stuff about WW1 that's classified and debated about. I think in situations like this the only way to go is to rely on your own judgement.

@Dead Herald: Well, Afghanistan was a snap decision, really. It wasn't planned out like Iraq.

I think it was probably for the best that the Taliban was deposed, but I'm sure there was a more subtle way to do it than long-term military occupation.

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:29 pm

I'm genuinely in a state of not knowing what to believe any more. I preferred it when I genuinely believed everything that was said on zietgiest and all those sorts of things least then there was clarity in what I was arguing. Now all I can say is I can't argue that cause I'm not even sure myself.

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 11:30 pm

It's all about finding enough sources you trust.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Tue May 03, 2011 11:30 pm

Furburt wrote:Hell, there's still stuff about WW1 that's classified and debated about. I think in situations like this the only way to go is to rely on your own judgement.

@Dead Herald: Well, Afghanistan was a snap decision, really. It wasn't planned out like Iraq.

I think it was probably for the best that the Taliban was deposed, but I'm sure there was a more subtle way to do it than long-term military occupation.

Hindsight is a bastard when politics is involved...

I always end up thinking "Why were you so retarded Chamberlain?" OR "Fuck Off League of Nations! And actually police the world for once like you should be!"

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Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 11:31 pm

Historical hindsight is like a really bad horror movie where you keep screaming at the protagonists to show some common sense.

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by Mr. Wiggles on Tue May 03, 2011 11:32 pm

PayJ567 wrote:I'm genuinely in a state of not knowing what to believe any more. I preferred it when I genuinely believed everything that was said on zietgiest and all those sorts of things least then there was clarity in what I was arguing. Now all I can say is I can't argue that cause I'm not even sure myself.
Meh Base life off your own evidence! If you didnt witness it, it dont matter! Admitedly not the best way to operate.... but fuck it! Its definitely the easiest Very Happy

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by Mr. Wiggles on Tue May 03, 2011 11:35 pm

Wrong thread...






YOU SAW NOTHING!!

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by PayJ on Tue May 03, 2011 11:38 pm

Wiggl.Y. Selassie wrote:
PayJ567 wrote:I'm genuinely in a state of not knowing what to believe any more. I preferred it when I genuinely believed everything that was said on zietgiest and all those sorts of things least then there was clarity in what I was arguing. Now all I can say is I can't argue that cause I'm not even sure myself.
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Yeah normally I would just revert to my default feeling of not giving a shit but this is all something I genuinely give a shit about.

People have just buried their heads in the sand for too long and I look at the world around me and I think this really isn't what humanity should be doing. I'd like to do something to help but if I do help someone am I helping the right cause?

The problem with never giving a shit is when you do, you don't know what to do.

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Re: They killed fucking Bin Laden!

Post by Furburt on Tue May 03, 2011 11:39 pm

Wow, Joe sober is actually pretty good at this.

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