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Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:05 pm

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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.
How?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me to vote against someone because they have a crazy fundamentalist running for being the second most powerful person in the nation.

So you instead would have voted for a crazed progressive for the most powerful person in the nation. Even though he is even less qualified for the job then she is.

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Post by Katzenjammer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:19 pm

Obama, for me, was the lesser of two evils, so yeah, I would have voted for him if I was American.

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Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:21 pm

Choosing between two evils is still choosing evil.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Katzenjammer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:27 pm

So, what? Would you have me not vote?

The two party thing we've got going is bad enough in Britain as it is with the Lib Dems proving themselves to be Tory Jr.

That problem is only amplified in America, where there is only two parties.

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Post by Hubilub on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:32 pm

That argument is and will always be fucking retarded

Either you vote for a lesser evil, or you let there be a chance that a greater evil gets into power, meaning you've passively fucked the country up more than what it'd be if you just voted for the better man.

To put it in a different scenario: Either you kill one innocent person, or you don't do anything and 5 innocent people die. If you kill one yourself, you've actively killed someone, but if you don't do anything, you've created a worse scenario.

Not voting because you don't give a fuck is one thing, but not voting because you're claiming that it's unethical to vote for any kind of evil is an entirely different one.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:33 pm

I would not think Sarah Palin would be my first choice to run the country. But she was not running for that office. The man who was running on the republican ticket was qualified for the position, his opponent was not. So what you're suggesting here is that you would vote for an unqualified candidate to take the office of president in order to avoid the possibility of an unqualified VP taking office in time of crisis.

Yeah, that totally makes sense. Apparently it made sense to a lot of other stupid people in this country too.

Just to be clear, I am not a fan of the American two-party system, either.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Katzenjammer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:36 pm

Hubilub wrote:That argument is and will always be fucking retarded

Either you vote for a lesser evil, or you let there be a chance that a greater evil gets into power, meaning you've passively fucked the country up more than what it'd be if you just voted for the better man.

To put it in a different scenario: Either you kill one innocent person, or you don't do anything and 5 innocent people die. If you kill one yourself, you've actively killed someone, but if you don't do anything, you've created a worse scenario.

Not voting because you don't give a fuck is one thing, but not voting because you're claiming that it's unethical to vote for any kind of evil is an entirely different one.

I wasn't saying that I wouldn't vote. I was merely pointing out that, if I weren't to vote for Obama, then there would be no other option in the system that America currently has.

I suppose you could vote independant but there's really fuck-all good that that could do.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Hubilub on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:38 pm

Obama was, in every sense of the word, the most logical pick.

He was a brilliant speaker. He promised change to a country that desperately needed it after their previous leader had fucked it up, and he had arguments that confirmed it. He won against McCain in debates.

Just because McCain is more qualified doesn't mean that his intended methods of running the country were any better than Obamas.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:38 pm

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Hubilub wrote:That argument is and will always be fucking retarded

Either you vote for a lesser evil, or you let there be a chance that a greater evil gets into power, meaning you've passively fucked the country up more than what it'd be if you just voted for the better man.

To put it in a different scenario: Either you kill one innocent person, or you don't do anything and 5 innocent people die. If you kill one yourself, you've actively killed someone, but if you don't do anything, you've created a worse scenario.

Not voting because you don't give a fuck is one thing, but not voting because you're claiming that it's unethical to vote for any kind of evil is an entirely different one.

I wasn't saying that I wouldn't vote. I was merely pointing out that, if I weren't to vote for Obama, then there would be no other option in the system that America currently has.

I suppose you could vote independant but there's really fuck-all good that that could do.

That really doesn't change the fact that he's wholly unqualified to be a head of state. I think the last two years have proven that beyond any doubt.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Hubilub on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:39 pm

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Hubilub wrote:That argument is and will always be fucking retarded

Either you vote for a lesser evil, or you let there be a chance that a greater evil gets into power, meaning you've passively fucked the country up more than what it'd be if you just voted for the better man.

To put it in a different scenario: Either you kill one innocent person, or you don't do anything and 5 innocent people die. If you kill one yourself, you've actively killed someone, but if you don't do anything, you've created a worse scenario.

Not voting because you don't give a fuck is one thing, but not voting because you're claiming that it's unethical to vote for any kind of evil is an entirely different one.

I wasn't saying that I wouldn't vote. I was merely pointing out that, if I weren't to vote for Obama, then there would be no other option in the system that America currently has.

I suppose you could vote independant but there's really fuck-all good that that could do.
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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:44 pm

Hubilub wrote:Obama was, in every sense of the word, the most logical pick.

He was a brilliant speaker. He promised change to a country that desperately needed it after their previous leader had fucked it up, and he had arguments that confirmed it. He won against McCain in debates.

Just because McCain is more qualified doesn't mean that his intended methods of running the country were any better than Obamas.

We'll never know now, will we.

Obama is a brilliant orator? So was Hitler. Actually, Obama isn't much of an orator at all w/o a teleprompter.

He promised to change the US, but never said how he would do that. His change turned out be large, invasive govt policy. Whoops, next time ask your candidate to be more specific.

The previous leader made some errors in judgement. Obama took those errors and doubled down on them. Ballooning govt spending and encroaching us in a war in Afghanistan that's far more pointless than the war in Iraq.

He won in the debates the same way he won the rest of the election. By being completely vague, attacking an unpopular predecessor and, let's be honest here, having dark skin. Oh and they say this country isn't racist... Crying or Very sad

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Post by Katzenjammer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:48 pm

Dead Herald LXI wrote:I would not think Sarah Palin would be my first choice to run the country. But she was not running for that office. The man who was running on the republican ticket was qualified for the position, his opponent was not. So what you're suggesting here is that you would vote for an unqualified candidate to take the office of president in order to avoid the possibility of an unqualified VP taking office in time of crisis.

Yeah, that totally makes sense. Apparently it made sense to a lot of other stupid people in this country too.

Just to be clear, I am not a fan of the American two-party system, either.

I didn't like McCain from what I saw of him though, and in terms of political ideologies I definitely have more in common with the democrats than the republicans.

Just like over here I, as a student, have got a lot more in common with labour than the conservatives, who only seem interested in protecting the upper classes under the guise of "trying to fix our countries problems" by lumping everything onto the lower classes. It's bullshit.

David Cameron is an idiot.

Also, in terms of what Obama's done since he got to power, I haven't really been following it. What I know about the matter is really just the year just before his election. I left school just after he got into office. So i'm not really at liberty to judge him based on the fact I don't really have a clue. I'm only really speaking with respect to back before he was elected.

If any of that makes any sense.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Katzenjammer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:49 pm

Hubilub wrote:
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Hubilub wrote:That argument is and will always be fucking retarded

Either you vote for a lesser evil, or you let there be a chance that a greater evil gets into power, meaning you've passively fucked the country up more than what it'd be if you just voted for the better man.

To put it in a different scenario: Either you kill one innocent person, or you don't do anything and 5 innocent people die. If you kill one yourself, you've actively killed someone, but if you don't do anything, you've created a worse scenario.

Not voting because you don't give a fuck is one thing, but not voting because you're claiming that it's unethical to vote for any kind of evil is an entirely different one.

I wasn't saying that I wouldn't vote. I was merely pointing out that, if I weren't to vote for Obama, then there would be no other option in the system that America currently has.

I suppose you could vote independant but there's really fuck-all good that that could do.
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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Hubilub on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:01 pm

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Hubilub wrote:Obama was, in every sense of the word, the most logical pick.

He was a brilliant speaker. He promised change to a country that desperately needed it after their previous leader had fucked it up, and he had arguments that confirmed it. He won against McCain in debates.

Just because McCain is more qualified doesn't mean that his intended methods of running the country were any better than Obamas.

We'll never know now, will we.

Obama is a brilliant orator? So was Hitler. Actually, Obama isn't much of an orator at all w/o a teleprompter.

He promised to change the US, but never said how he would do that. His change turned out be large, invasive govt policy. Whoops, next time ask your candidate to be more specific.

The previous leader made some errors in judgement. Obama took those errors and doubled down on them. Ballooning govt spending and encroaching us in a war in Afghanistan that's far more pointless than the war in Iraq.

He won in the debates the same way he won't the rest of the election. By being completely vague, attacking an unpopular predecessor and, let's be honest here, having dark skin. Oh and they say this country isn't racist... Crying or Very sad

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Oh, I'm so taken aback at your brilliance in debate! Pulling the Hitler card, that's always a classy way to put forward arguments.

What do you mean he didn't say how? He was perfectly clear. Universal healthcare, a more socialistic approach, ending the war in Iraq

"Some errors"? He is one of the most hated political leaders of the 21st century. It's more or less universally accepted that he was an incompetent idiot. Ballooning of government spending? It was under Bush that hundreds of billions of dollars were given to the banks of America. You know, that massive controversy? And at least the war in Afghanistan is about fighting terrorists. What was Iraq about? Taking oil and putting a powerless man out of power, thereby effectively opening up great opportunities for fanatics to take over the country. You know, like in Iran?

If McCain was so much more qualified, you'd think he'd be able to point out the vagueness of his political rival in debate.

And attributing Obama's popularity to his skin of color is one of the dumbest arguments I hear from the anti-Obama side of the argument. Obama looked and seemed better in every single way. McCain completely failed to make himself look good, going through several blunders in both interviews and debates, hiring the biggest bimbo in the entire universe to be his vice-president, and being inable to debunk most of Obamas arguments. McCain would have failed just as hard if Obama was white.

In no way is Obama the best president ever, or even close, but trying to make him out to be the most incompetent leader ever while claiming his seat in the white house was only one because of his skin color is irrational whining from people that want a scapegoat.

And don't come with vague bullshit like "We'll never know" when you've done nothing this entire time but slag on Obama for being a worse pick than McCain.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:02 pm

katzenjammer wrote:
Dead Herald LXI wrote:I would not think Sarah Palin would be my first choice to run the country. But she was not running for that office. The man who was running on the republican ticket was qualified for the position, his opponent was not. So what you're suggesting here is that you would vote for an unqualified candidate to take the office of president in order to avoid the possibility of an unqualified VP taking office in time of crisis.

Yeah, that totally makes sense. Apparently it made sense to a lot of other stupid people in this country too.

Just to be clear, I am not a fan of the American two-party system, either.

I didn't like McCain from what I saw of him though, and in terms of political ideologies I definitely have more in common with the democrats than the republicans.

Just like over here I, as a student, have got a lot more in common with labour than the conservatives, who only seem interested in protecting the upper classes under the guise of "trying to fix our countries problems" by lumping everything onto the lower classes. It's bullshit.

David Cameron is an idiot.

Also, in terms of what Obama's done since he got to power, I haven't really been following it. What I know about the matter is really just the year just before his election. I left school just after he got into office. So i'm not really at liberty to judge him based on the fact I don't really have a clue. I'm only really speaking with respect to back before he was elected.

If any of that makes any sense.

Obama nuked our economy, exponentially increased our national debt, spiked unemployment and saddled us with an invasive socialized medicine plan that the entire country screamed at him not to sign into law. He spent more money in the first year of his term then all of his 43 predecessors combined. Our country is going down the shit hole and we have Barack Hussein Obama II to thank for it. As well as all the sheep who voted for him.

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Re: Ask Demented Teddy

Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:18 pm

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Oh, I'm so taken aback at your brilliance in debate! Pulling the Hitler card, that's always a classy way to put forward arguments.

What do you mean he didn't say how? He was perfectly clear. Universal healthcare, a more socialistic approach, ending the war in Iraq

"Some errors"? He is one of the most hated political leaders of the 21st century. It's more or less universally accepted that he was an incompetent idiot. Ballooning of government spending? It was under Bush that hundreds of billions of dollars were given to the banks of America. You know, that massive controversy? And at least the war in Afghanistan is about fighting terrorists. What was Iraq about? Taking oil and putting a powerless man out of power, thereby effectively opening up great opportunities for fanatics to take over the country. You know, like in Iran?

If McCain was so much more qualified, you'd think he'd be able to point out the vagueness of his political rival in debate.

And attributing Obama's popularity to his skin of color is one of the dumbest arguments I hear from the anti-Obama side of the argument. Obama looked and seemed better in every single way. McCain completely failed to make himself look good, going through several blunders in both interviews and debates, hiring the biggest bimbo in the entire universe to be his vice-president, and being inable to debunk most of Obamas arguments. McCain would have failed just as hard if Obama was white.

In no way is Obama the best president ever, or even close, but trying to make him out to be the most incompetent leader ever while claiming his seat in the white house was only one because of his skin color is irrational whining from people that want a scapegoat.

And don't come with vague bullshit like "We'll never know" when you've done nothing this entire time but slag on Obama for being a worse pick than McCain.

I try not to comment on the affairs of other nations, due to my clear lack of knowledge of their infrastructure. Which is something you're demonstrating here. You must understand, from the point of view of an American citizen, the things you are saying here make no fucking sense at all.

No one in America wants universal healthcare. Except college kids, welfare recipients and illegal aliens. None of those groups pay taxes.

Yes, Bush made some unfortunate errors during his presidency. But it took an extremely biased and corrupt media to skew him into the image of a real life Lex Luthor. He's not a great president, but he's certainly not what the media makes him out to be.

The Iraq War probably should have been scaled back, we spent too much money and man power on it. But we never got a single drop of oil from the place, or would we still be paying $4/gallon to put in our cars? The point is, we aren't fighting terrorists in Afghanistan. We're chasing shadows and trying to influence what is laughingly called govt over there. Al Qaeda has only a minimal presence in Afghaistan and has more or less settled in Yemen now, so why aren't we over in Yemen?

As far as Obama being black. You assume I hate the man for that reason, and that's not even remotely accurate. I was perfectly willing to allow him his chance once he was elected, and he failed to do anything but make things worse. But as far as it relating to him getting elected. You can be damn well sure that's why he got elected. You have no idea what kind of stranglehold Political Correctness has on this country. During the election you couldn't say anything bad Obama and not be accused of racism. Even if it had nothing to do with his race. There are still people who will attempt to insinuate you are a racist if you speak poorly of him, though there are less of those people now that he's shown what an incompetent leader he is.

And you get mad about me making an allusion to Obama's speaking ability and Hitler's speaking ability. Although Hitler never needed a teleprompter. Yet here you are calling Sarah Palin a bimbo. Like I said, not my first choice to run the country. But you come off hypocritically calling me out on a tactless but true comparison, yet using terminology like that when it isn't even accurate at all.

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Post by Terria on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:47 pm

Dead Herald LXI wrote:Game. We should play again sometime. But next time bring a racket with less holes in it.
But rackets do have holes in them. That shiz is netted.

I are debating.

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Post by Komrade Kharloth on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:54 pm

You know herald, that last line really makes you come off as a rude, arrogant prick.


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Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:55 pm

Kharloth wrote:You know herald, that last line really makes you come off as a rude, arrogant prick.


just sayin'

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Post by PayJ on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:34 pm

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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.

It's better than not voting.

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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.

It's better than not voting.

Bit late, aren't we?

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Post by PayJ on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:48 pm

Dead Herald LXI wrote:
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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.

It's better than not voting.

Bit late, aren't we?
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Post by Alkaline on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:49 pm

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Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:53 pm

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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.

It's better than not voting.

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Kharloth wrote:If I was a yank, I would of voted for Obama, if only so that caribou barbie didn't become vice president, and god forbid president if McCain's ticker gave out before his term was up.

That's a really idiotic reason to vote for someone.

It's better than not voting.

Bit late, aren't we?
A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.

So you meant to arrive late, good to know.
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Post by Dead Herald on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:58 pm

He meant to arrive late, in France.

Le sigh...

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Post by The Moonbai on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:40 am

Demented Teddy wrote:I bet most of the black population voted him in because he was black.

I heard way too much about one lesbian member of the dail D:
Im never eve n sure if the ccurrent whatever will be making a difference. Just them ecenomic cycles.
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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:06 am

The Moonbai wrote:
Demented Teddy wrote:I bet most of the black population voted him in because he was black.

I heard way too much about one lesbian member of the dail D:
Im never eve n sure if the ccurrent whatever will be making a difference. Just them ecenomic cycles.
bertie won
cohwen lost
time for the next show


Have some faith, the economy goes up and down all the time, it will pick up.
They are doing stuff, there effect just has not been huge yet.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:05 pm

Okay okay okay okay. Rewind.
Obama is a "crazed progressive"?

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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:38 pm

I don't care about the leader of the United States.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:44 pm

Actually, yeah. Come to think of it neither do I.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:44 pm

Or maybe I do. I'm not sure.

I need to think about this.

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Post by Pararaptor on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:59 pm

His voice is sex on toast.
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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:39 pm

Thought about it, do care. Two reasons.

1 - One of the most powerful countries in the world, if not the most powerful. Decisions affect pretty much everywhere on earth.

2 - More directly, every time the USA sticks it's arsehole into somebody else's war Australia is obligated to join in with them. Ideal US president = pacifist.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:40 pm

Pararaptor wrote:His voice is sex on toast.
Are you suggesting that our Prime Minister does not have a sexy voice?

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Post by Komrade Kharloth on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:54 pm

I don't know about the aussie PM.

But our PM sounds like a fucking robot with an American flag jammed up his ass.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:57 pm


As always, the Chaser explains perfectly.

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Post by Dead Herald on Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:07 pm

MilkyFresh wrote:Okay okay okay okay. Rewind.
Obama is a "crazed progressive"?

He's a dumbfuck.

Pretty much all you need to know.

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Post by Furburt on Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:36 pm

Ooh, lucky you Herald, he's announced that he's running for reelection.

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