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Re: Writing General

Post by Xandy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:47 pm

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Post by PayJ on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:59 pm

@Milkyfresh: Maybe you could write the mum as a selfish bitch who would sell out her own daughter to save her own skin. Just spitballin'

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Post by PayJ on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:01 pm

Also leads to more why a girl would get messed up in drug dealings if she has come from a shitty background.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:08 pm

PayJ wrote:@Milkyfresh: Maybe you could write the mum as a selfish bitch who would sell out her own daughter to save her own skin. Just spitballin'
This... This could work

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Post by MilkyFresh on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:09 pm

It doesn't feel perfect but it's better than anything I've thought of

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Post by PayJ on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:11 pm

Yeah just play about with it a bit. Could also chuck in some more scenes with mother daughter drama leading to the girl being more and more willing to ditch up and leave her life and start a new one somewhere else.

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Post by LordCuthberton on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:27 pm

Perhaps consider the path of the social satirist and have the Protagonist write about skipping town on Facebook and logging into bars on 4square. And the antagonist hasn't even been removed off the friends list.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:32 pm

Nah. I want people to question whether or not they like the protagonist, not scream at the TV until he dies.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:19 pm

My idea was better.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:56 pm

How about the protagonist's best client (back when he was working for that supplier) is a raving crack head. So when the protagonist skips town, the supplier threatens to cut Cracky off unless he comes up with his location.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:55 am

That could actually work really well with what I've already got written dude, I think I'll use that

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:57 am

YAY! My first birthday present!

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Post by MilkyFresh on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:34 am

Yo birthday nigga?

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:40 am

Yup yup yup.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:18 pm

Alright, just made quite a bit of headway and I'm not done for tonight. Solved the problem I was having before by adding something like 30-40 minutes worth of film into the outline. Got a good idea of what to do next too. I'm liking this a lot.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:53 am

Post your first draft here man. No pressure.

I have some ideas as well but I don't know how to write for film. Also I love the fucking premise man inabit anyway.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:41 am

The format and all that of a screenplay is simple, just google "how to write a screenplay". It's nothing mind bending. If you want to give it a go I highly recommend it.

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Post by Xandy on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:07 pm

Trying to write up stuff for a high fantasy setting that's been brewing in my head for a longtime now. Based around a world where most of humanity has been stuck in a technological/social/creative/intellectual stagnation for centuries and a possible apocalypse is dawning ever closer. Grimdark stuff with overlying themes about humanity and morality.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:20 pm

If anybody else is interested in screenwriting, then this website is brilliant.
http://johnaugust.com/2012/endings-for-beginners

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Post by Xandy on Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:23 am

Jahysus, writers on /lit/ are some of the most boring and uncreative droobs I've ever come across.

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Post by MilkyFresh on Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:25 am

They need a writing board separate from lit, for people to post shit that they've written themselves. Nobody wants to associate with people on lit.

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Re: Writing General

Post by Furburt on Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:06 am

Just can't seem to finish the 50th chapter of Momo Murphy.

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Post by Xandy on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:38 pm

Fuck I love making character ideas.

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Post by Komrade Kharloth on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:47 pm

I can't make characters for the life of me. Settings and nations are more of my domain

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Post by Furburt on Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:56 pm

@Kharloth: Easy enough to do. Think of a person you know, thinly veil them. Done.

Anyway, I'm almost finished this damned Momo chapter. Rewrite after rewrite and it still means nothing, but oh well. I think my next chapter or chapters after this might be about a mythologized version of Mellow Leprechauns. Like I said there, easy to write characters for.

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Post by Xandy on Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:56 pm

Found some neat advice for coming up with solid characters on /tg/, might as well post it here.

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The three categories of character designing.

There are 3 categories of character designing:

1. The Mental aspect
2. The Sociological aspect
3. The Appearance aspect

Now, people usually only give the last aspect attention. Or they use them in the wrong order. The first two steps always come before the appearance aspect!

The Mental aspect: the Character Diamond

A man named David Freeman once came up with a character design method known as the 'character diamond.' If the character diamond can be applied to a character, it means that the character design is good overall. It's a surefire to a well-balanced character!

The character diamond is a 4-point structure that describes the following things about your character:

Base Trait
This trait is the 'spine' of your character. It's the main trait of your character. It doesn't necessarily have to be a positive trait.
Supportive Trait
A somewhat less important trait, but still vital to the way a character thinks and acts. Or course, a character can have more supportive traits.
Fatal Trait
This is a trait that almost always brings your character in awkward or dangerous situations. Your character may deny that this trait exists, but it's there, no matter what. It's always a 'negative' trait, and a character's weakness.
Hidden Trait
A hidden trait is a trait that your character is often unaware of.

Now, I will give a more clear explanation about the character diamond.

For example, I'll take Walt Disney's Scrooge McDuck, and apply the character diamond.

Base Trait: Greedy
Scrooge McDuck is extremely greedy. Everyone who knows him is aware of this fact.
Supportive Trait: Intelligent
The richest duck on Earth can't have and make so much money without knowing how to do business.
Fatal Trait: Quick Tempered
Scrooge has a quick temper, which often causes him to agree on risky bets or go on dangerous adventures just to prove he's better than his opponent.
Hidden Trait: 'A Small Heart'
Whenever Donald or the nephews are in trouble, he often lends them a hand. He may not look like it, but he cares about them.

The Sociological aspect: The background
Of course, there's more to a character than just a couple of traits. Where does this character live? What kind of species is this character? Below are a couple of questions you could ask yourself to get more insight in your character.

What's this character's natural habitat?
This is a very important question. The answer to this question always has something to do with the character's traits. I.E. If he's a nomad in the desert, he needs to have a strong will to survive. A desert nomad that is carefree is not believable. The same applies to an alien on a spaceship with zero knowledge about technology.

Does this character have a family and/or friends?
Maybe this character's adventurous spirit comes from the time he spent going on adventures with his best friend. Or maybe he learned to cook so great because his mother taught him how to cook?

Is this character a human, animal or perhaps an alien?
The answer to this question will affect the way your character looks.

What is this characters occupation?
This question may affect how your character is dressed. If he's a knight, he'll wear armor, if he's a priest, he'll wear a robe, etc. Take note that this doesn't need to be the case all the time.

What's this characters height and weight?
If you're putting your character in an environment, it's important to take the environment in consideration. Is your character a dragon that tramples castles under his feet? Or is it a ninja in the forest?
It's important to take the weight in consideration too. There's no way those thin branches of a tree are going to hold a 200 Lbs. ninja.

What are the character's strong and weak points?
This question is more or less answered if you apply the character diamond first, but it can't hurt to elaborate on these strong and weak points. It's always important to give a character at least one weak point. Every creature has strong and weak points, and so does your character.

What's this character's alignment?
Is this character a hero, or is this character a servant of the dark lord? Or does this character do whatever he pleases? The alignment of a character usually affects the facial expressions of your character. Evil characters always tend to look intimidating and angry, while good characters -usually- have a smile on their faces.

Is this character mean or social?
That your character is good doesn't mean he is social, and an evil person doesn't necessarily need to be mean to everyone.

Which enemies does this character have?
Everyone has enemies. Be it the king of a mighty country or the bully at school. No character can be liked and loved by everyone. It goes the other way around, too. There's always at least one person that likes the character that 'everybody hates'.

-Other questions you could ask-

- What kind of food does he like?
- What kind of music does he like?
- Is he in a relationship?
- Does he use a weapon?
- Does he have an illness?
- Is he smart or stupid?
- etc. etc.

Basically, the list of questions can be as long as you want. The more questions you ask, the more background information your character is going to get, and the more believable your character becomes.

The appearance aspect: giving a look

Now you've given your character a personality and a background, you're finally going to give a look to your character! I'm pretty confident that you know how that works, so have fun!

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Post by Furburt on Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:57 pm

Finally, FINALLY got this done. Thank christ, this was rattling around in my brain for ages. At this point it makes no sense whatsoever, but it's done.

http://www.mellowleprechauns.com/t1793-the-new-adventures-of-momo-murphy-chapter-50

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:22 pm

People on TvTropes are terribly boring writers.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:00 pm

I've started on the next chapter of Momo Murphy. I decided, for a lark, to tell the history of Mellow Leprechauns as though we were some decadent end of days Roman republic. All ideas welcome.

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Post by LordCuthberton on Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:20 pm

Fat Herald as Emperor Nero.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:24 pm

Oh, he will feature.

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Post by Hubilub on Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:47 pm

I want to be Kublai Khan

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Post by Xandy on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Dibs on Mark Antony.

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Post by PayJ on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:18 pm

Shotgun a short cameo getting killed in the arena.

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Post by ggggggggggg on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:33 pm

Shotgun a short cameo killing PayJ in the arena.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:36 pm

It's not really going to be the Roman empire, just like it, in its end of days. It will be: Meleprekanz, Joyous Empire of Apathy. 

We break off from a larger empire and annoy people slightly. I was going to call it Escapia but that tickles their egos so it'll probably just be a cross between Themis and a swear word.

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Post by PayJ on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:41 pm

@Lemon: I was thinking more I fight 38 bears. Take a good 12 with my bare hands. By then I can fashion some bear hands and take out bare bears. Then the last one takes me out with a crafty back shot while I'm gloating.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:49 pm

I always thought you had a very Roman look about you, Joe.

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Post by PayJ on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:49 pm

It's the big nose. Too narrow to be jewish.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:52 pm

High cheekbones as well. All very Caesar-ish.


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