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Post by Xandy on Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:46 am

For the last year or so I've been gradually coming up with ideas for a fantasy story setting. It's pretty well-developed by this point, but the thing is though I haven't done any actual writing at all for it. I don't really know where to start off writing for the setting and currently lack the motivation to do so. Can anyone offer some advice for how to motivate and start writing?


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Re: Writing General

Post by Komrade Kharloth on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:06 am

Read awesome RPG settings, I draw inspiration and motivation from those.

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Post by Xandy on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:21 am

Tried that before. I was inspired by some of the awesome ideas in them but still wasn't motivated to write.

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Post by Komrade Kharloth on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:39 am

Well, I dunno what to tell ya man.

I usually get hit by a writing frenzy about once a week, otherwise I just bring up word and start putting down your favourite ideas so far, as you put it to paper I find that more and more ideas come to you.

That's what I do, for my WW1 Fantasy setting I started off with just a single concept, dwarves are great trench defenders.

From there I fleshed out that they:

-Were in their prime, none of this "slowly dying out" bollocks.

-Ruled by an emperor who was a massive dick, but was also very competent and knew how to run an empire.

-Entered the war to take prime farming territory from the orcs to support growing population, now fighting a defensive war in the face of constant orc assaults.

-Running low on manpower, and had large amounts of artillery, high complex trench systems.

-Royal Guard have A WaffenSS-Wermacht relationship with the regular army.

-Dwarven cities are sprawling industrial powerhouses that exist above and below ground.

-They are highly dependent on resources from their Nord Allies.

-Very class based society, dwarven workers are getting angry at their low pay, long hours and dangerous work. The seeds of socialist revolution are being planted.

-And several other things.



Also: Don't beat off if you might want to write, kills off all imagination.

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Post by Furburt on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:20 am

Write in lists of things you'd like to include first, then organize it together. I find it's easy enough to write when you've got a notebook full of things you'd like to include.

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Post by PayJ on Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:17 am

Sit on this website, open up another 30 porn tabs sit and wank, then smoke about 20 fags, then drink 10 beers and then start your story.

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Post by GrinningManiac on Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:21 am

Write descriptions of the characters in short 8-line paragraphs.

Do it in a Sherlock Scan type of affair - mention key physical attriubtes that give an insight to a deeper part of their personality or psychological characteristic.

I find after doing this I want to expand upon the scene to further show off the new character.

Also - and this is stupidly obvious but I'm going to say it anyway - the number one method to start writing is to start writing.

I'm not being smarmy about that - I just mean that if you begin writing words, no matter how stupid or badly-phrased, you'll continue to type.

Don't edit or decide what you've written is rubbish until you've got a scene done. By then you're well on your way anyway.

But I find it helps to never actually delete the beginning but rewrite it later once I understand now where the characters are going.

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Post by Xandy on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:46 pm

Well thank you all for the good advice.

Except you PayJ. Yours sucked, faggot.

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Post by PayJ on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:58 pm

If you can't do the above then you'll never make it as a writer. Cause those people are a mess!

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Post by Walnutman on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:27 pm

I feel your pain man, got a few ideas but just can't get started, wrote the first paragraph for one about 20 times. My main problem is I think of the ending first.

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Post by PayJ on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:56 pm

Walnutman wrote:I feel your pain man, got a few ideas but just can't get started, wrote the first paragraph for one about 20 times. My main problem is I think of the ending first.
Write a flash back.

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Post by Mr. Wiggles on Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:29 am

PayJ wrote:Sit on this website, open up another 30 porn tabs sit and wank, then smoke about 20 fags, then drink 10 beers and then start your story.

You missed piercing your nose with a Biro, ducktaping your nostrils and hotboxing your nasal cavities.

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Post by GrinningManiac on Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:52 am

Walnutman wrote:I feel your pain man, got a few ideas but just can't get started, wrote the first paragraph for one about 20 times. My main problem is I think of the ending first.

I have the opposite problem with my current (and my most complete and proud-of) project

I began writing with literally no idea where I was going. Characters were invented in my mind the sentence before I introduced them. I threw in a bunch of insane stuff I would usually hold back on because I think "no-one will read this crap!"

But it's proven to be (whilst I won't say I think other people will or will not enjoy my writing) a very enjoyable way of writing

My only problem is that I now have quite an interesting plot with various directions I could go in but I have no idea how to get the heroes to go about tackling the big problem so as to steer them towards what I aim to be the ending.

I just have no idea what they (hell, what I) would do in the situation they're in.

I'm beginning the think the only way I can write this from where I stand is have them make a bunch of massive mistakes and have a follow-up story to show them making amends. That sounds like nonsense but that's because I CBA to explain the plot.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:02 am

GrinningManiac wrote:I began writing with literally no idea where I was going. Characters were invented in my mind the sentence before I introduced them. I threw in a bunch of insane stuff I would usually hold back on because I think "no-one will read this crap!"

I've always wanted to this style of writing. I've done it before for "lolrandom" short humour stories, but never tried it out for more serious writing.

BTW what's your story about?

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Post by Furburt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:03 am

I can't not write like that.

Or think, come to think of it.

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Re: Writing General

Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:09 am

That's because you lack the power of imaginaaation!


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Post by Furburt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:11 am

Another esteemed Canadian creation.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:13 am

Spongebob is American.

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Post by Pararaptor on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:14 am

I'm not going to say anything.
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Post by Furburt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:16 am

Xandy wrote:Spongebob is American.

Then my parents were lying to me after all.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:20 am

Furburt wrote:
Xandy wrote:Spongebob is American.

Then my parents were lying to me after all.

Kill the lying irish bastards.

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Post by Furburt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:22 am

I took the precaution of killing them earlier tonight.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:23 am

Good job, laddie. Keep up the work and you'll make an American yet.

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Post by Desert Warrior on Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:43 am

Listen to some good epic musick, like video game or movie soundtrack kind of shit.
Or just epic musick in general, it motivates me when I draw so I would assume it would as well when you write.

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Post by Furburt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:15 pm

Xandy wrote:Good job, laddie. Keep up the work and you'll make an American yet.

The funny thing is is that Daniel Day Lewis' heritage is the very unusual one parts Irish and one parts Jewish.

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Post by GrinningManiac on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:48 pm

Xandy wrote:
GrinningManiac wrote:I began writing with literally no idea where I was going. Characters were invented in my mind the sentence before I introduced them. I threw in a bunch of insane stuff I would usually hold back on because I think "no-one will read this crap!"

I've always wanted to this style of writing. I've done it before for "lolrandom" short humour stories, but never tried it out for more serious writing.

BTW what's your story about?

Well to explain it I'll have to cover a brief bit of made-up science that explains what the hell is happening

SCIENCE - The universe is not infinite but it IS ever-expanding. It occupies a preset space, however. This means all the new "reality" eminating from the centre is bunching up against itself and, like a bunched-up sheet, has many folds and creases that create pockets and alternate dimensions unaccesable from ours. Earth is actually a lot larger than that which we occupy however most of it occupies other dimensions. There exists, however, areas of dimensional flux (seeming as the dimensions are ever-moving and ever-increasing (albeit slowly) it's a bit like tectonic plates) where people have over the course of human history unwittingly slipped through the gaps and thus humans exist in thousands of different dimensions. I'm rubbish at explain it blurb-style. I'll post up the in-story exposition later

Some dimensions discovered the existence of the different realities and how to traverse them. There exists a branch of science called Odditology, the study of dimensions and interdimensional things, and there exists a large union of 'enlightened' dimensions headed by the Society of Odditologists.

The story is about a normal Englishman, Arnold Wilkes (think Martin Freeman), who is caught up in an interdimensional adventure of power, intruige and conflict when Professor Razul, former esteemed member of the Society of Odditologists, exploded into our dimension in his back garden. The sole loose end of a coup at the top of the Society, Razul is being hunted by the sinister Tuillouis (Tuh-Looz), a fellow Odditologist and former close friend who, driven by a determination that humans are too anarchic and stupid to be allowed to rule themselves, is taking over government from the inside whilst framing Razul as the villain.

Bizareness ensues and Arnold ends up alongside Razul and his merry men attempting to stop Tuillouis, all the while wanting nothing more than to go home. Unfortunately it's not that simple and Arnold is stuck, for better or worse, at the centre of a struggle for power that will decide the fate of billions of worlds.

Also he has a talking sword. Yeah.

A sword, that is, containing the gaseous essence of one of an ancient order of medieval soldier-scientists who came before the Odditologists. These Schturmwanderen, or "Storm-Walkers" as they were known, were the most techonoligcally advanced group that ever existed in human history but were wiped out in a ferocious war with the member-nations of the first ever instance of the Odditologists called the Odditorium. Their technology was lost and even now the science of Odditology is a mere shadow of the brilliance of the Storm-Walkers (I mean, come on, they managed to work out how to store a man's soul in the hilt of a blade!). The Storm-Walkers, it turns out, are not dead but sealed eternally on the edge of death - breathing their last breath for over nine thousand years in the void, the elsewhere places between dimensions. The Schturmwanderen were not good people - they were fiercely protective of their knowledge and believed only they had the right or ability to control the dimensions. But Razul and Arnold and the gang are but a small band against the might of an interndimensional empire headed by a man bent on destroying them, and the time may come where they must decide if they will make a deal with the devil and let loose the terrible wrath of the Schturmwanderen upon the world once more...

...

It's gibberish. I'm still half-writing it. And, as I say - I've just thrown in anything and everything I think is a neat idea. I've summarised it badly here and I feel like I'm giving you the wrong idea about a few things but on the upside this has helped me work out how hell the ending unfolds.

Think Arthur Dent winds up with Doctor Who fighting against an Ubersociopath with the power of a wartime government (including lots of technologies I've neglected to mention here) and then stuff gets worse.

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Post by Xandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:29 pm

That sounds like some crazy funny. The setting I'm trying to get writing done for is an 1800's-era (with some quasi-medieval stuff) fantasy with clockpunk and horror elements, where the magic system is based around blood.

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Post by GrinningManiac on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:59 pm

Oooh

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Re: Writing General

Post by Komrade Kharloth on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:11 pm

I reccommend that this thread be used for both inspiration and critiquing/suggestions for all us aspiring fantasy writers.

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Post by GrinningManiac on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:24 pm

Indoodles

LET IT BECOME THE EVIDENCE THREAD OF THE ARTFAG FORUM

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Re: Writing General

Post by PayJ on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:31 pm

I can only ever come up with characters, plots and settings. I can never compile them into a story. Partially because I have never tried, partially cause it seems too much like hard work.

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Re: Writing General

Post by Komrade Kharloth on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:49 pm

The only real faction I've fleshed out so far in my WW1 Fantasy are the Dwarves here's a rough outline of the setting.

Alliance 1: Fighting against 2.

Nordic Kingdom, Dwarven Empire.

Alliance 2:

Generic France/England like Republic, Poland/Scandanvia Queendom.

Others:

Theocratic byzantine empire waging holy war against the elves and Ottoman clones.

Orc tribes fighting against the Dwarves,

Dwarves fleshed out a bit:

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Dwarves

-Ruled by monarch (oppressive, but competent dick)

-Very class based, lower, middle and upper classes, almost all the power controlled by upper class

-Pinnacle of industrial and technological might

-However, focused on perfecting current technologies, rather than developing new ones

-Carved out a good sized empire out of a mountain range and the surrounding foothills.

-Originally entered the war for conquest of fertile lands held by orcs to support growing population

-Now focused on weathering the onslaught, have lost strips of territory to humans and orcs.

-Southern front is heavily entrenched, maze of trench systems.

-Western front less entrenched due to difficult terrain.

-Have large single trade route through a mountain pass connecting to allied human kingdom, lifeline, without it, the empire will fall, most heavily fortified area in the world.

-Cities are primarily underground, but have surface areas, massive industrial centres,

-Little in the way of rights for working class dwarves.

-Dwarven army is large, but not massive, rely on the individual skill of the soldiers, the fortifications they have built and the devastating artillery fire.

-Fighting a purely defensive war, offensive are far too costly.

-Combined with the horrors of this new war, and the oppression of the upper class, many working dwarves are starting to become resentful, even hostile of the situation they live in. Some say it’s a problem that will fade with time, others say that all it will take is the right spark to start a class based civil war in the empire.




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Re: Writing General

Post by Xandy on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:33 am

Here's a summary of the races in my setting:

Humans - Divided into three major regions; the Commonwealth, the North, and the Holy Herzogtum.
The Commonwealth (formerly an Empire) is the strongest single faction in the world. It's made up of five(ish) provinces and has a predominately German culture, with some Polish, Slavic and Italian influences. Almost everyone in the army uses muskets w/bayonets, they worship a single deity (the God of Law) and they're technologically advanced enough to have trains by this point.
The North is a freezing hellhole. It's filled with numerous warring factions, noble houses, fiefdoms, nomadic tribes, daemon cults and mages. The three biggest factions in it right now are the daemon-worshiping remnants of a medieval House that used to rule over the Commonweath's provinces, a quasi-Spartan viking Kingdom, and a united Republic of various tribal groups with a love for infighting and gunpowder.
The Holy Herzogtum is a former province of the Commonwelath, now it's own faction. Pretty much Japan crossed with the Crusader States, plus some German cultural influence. Known for being very xenophobic, aggressive and fanatic. Worship the same God as the Commonwealth.

Elves - Two different groups; Northern Elves and Southern Elves. Northern ones are very celtic style forest-dwelling clans who worship the God of Nature. Southern ones are native/mesoamerican style steppe-roamers tribals who worship the God of Destruction. Elves are tall, physically fearsome, long-living, able to regenerate from minor wounds and beautiful. They've also been stuck in social/technological stasis for the last thousand years, unable to progress due to constant retarded ancestor worship and lack of ambition. A thousand years ago they did save the world, but they haven't done shit since then aside from fucking humans and stabbing each other over trees. The Northern Elves are still recovering from a genocide by the Commonwealth (back then the Empire) that occurred centuries ago. The Southern Elves are mostly just killing/eating each other.

Half-Bloods - Half elf and half human. Originally isolated and lacking in racial identity, they eventually became more common and started forming gypsy-like groups. Then they started fucking each other and soon became numerous enough to make up for 50% of a Commonwealth province's population. Eventually they tried to take over the Commonwealth's southernmost province, next to Elven territory. They succeeded for a bit but the province was eventually taken back a century ago, although they still make up most of it's populous. There are still some rebellious clans looking to kill the humans occupying their "homeland". They have a very Scottish-canadian/Irish-american culture while their province has a Ye Olde Britain atmosphere to it. Are valued fighters among the Commonwealth armies.

Ironclad - Ancient clockpunk man-eating medieval robots fueled by blood. Their outer shell is made of metal, but their insides are (mostly and usually) real organs. They descend from an elder race that sought to become immortal by making their bodies into iron. They can only multiply by harvesting the blood/organs or another being and hook them inside a metal body. The Necromancers, practitioners of blood magic, do the rituals necessary for this. They also need to consume blood regularly to keep their bodies going, and therefore must constantly kill others in order to maintain their existence. Used to rule over the humans, using them as a source of food, organs and slave labour. But then the elves skullfucked the Ironclad and sent them fleeing to the North. There they got buttfucked a few centuries later by the God of Death, who did not appreciate those who sought immortality, and gave the humans they oppressed daemonic powers to fuck shit up. Since then they've been hiding under the mountains, most of them stuck in stasis and only a few going out to hunt for humans in the night.

Vampires - Mostly-extinct descendants of the acolytes who served the ancient King in Hell, the first vampire who discovered you could steal a magical being's power by devouring it's flesh and blood. The King in Hell went around devouring Dragons, Giants and Ironclad until he became so magically overpowered that he tried to ascend to godhood/eat the world. The Gods kicked his shit in and shoved him 20,000 miles under the ocean. After his demise, his acolytes went around raping, eating and murdering shit with their blood magic. However all the most powerful magical beings were already gobbled down by the King in Hell, so they eventually became increasingly weaker as the centuries passed, until only a handful could even use proper magic. Then the Elves decide the genocide the fuck out of them because they were evil assholes and wouldn't stop trying to eat them and the humans. The vampires got their asses handed on a silver platter and for the last thousand years have been reduced to tiny, unorganized clans that secretly lurk in the dark corners of the world. They look like high octane nightmare fuel personified.

Middle-Eastern Race - Currently the most undeveloped race. A bunch of guys who came out from the deserts in the last few centuries. Have a lot of magic-users and allow for freedom of religion. Tend to value knowledge most and have various different tribes and kingdoms among them. Hated by the Holy Herzogtum.

Dragons - Extinct race. Originally the most powerful race in the world, they valued power above all else and had a very Roman Empire. Then the vampires ate them all. The last dragon died a thousand years ago after helping the Elves destroy the vampire scum. Elves revere them as divine beings and the humans view them like fairy tale monsters.

Giants - Another extinct race. Darwinist culture where the strongest lead. They are the only race that has never used magic, believing perfection of the body and mind to be superior. They had a rivalry with the Dragons before the vampire started murder-raping everybody. Half of them died fighting the King in Hell and the other half just gradually mysteriously vanished. Possessed great intelligence as well as physical size, and their philosophies influence several cultures including the early Holy Herzogtum's.

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Re: Writing General

Post by Alkaline on Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:27 am

I've got an RPG thing in mind. Kinda like Diablo II, but rather than playing as the humans on the angels' side, you're the demons fucking shit up.

I've got a couple of classes in mind, but nothing serious yet.

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Re: Writing General

Post by GrinningManiac on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:58 pm

@Xandy - that's awesome. I like the idea of civilised dragons for once - fed up of "rargh dinosaur with wings"

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Re: Writing General

Post by GrinningManiac on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:11 am

So I gave up on coming up with a more inventive way of explaining everyone speaking English on other worlds and just shoved an electronic babelfish in the main man's ear.

I'd thought of a neat little diddy to explain it all and everything but the event that causes his fluency in these other languages happens right near the end. I cannot write a book of "X important character said gibberish to Y important character. Arnold didn't understand/someone translated for him", though, so it had to go.

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Re: Writing General

Post by Komrade Kharloth on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:50 pm





First flames of war miniature done, camera adds 30% shit factor to the paint job though.

How's it look?

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Post by Xandy on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:27 pm

THAT'S NOT A WRITING

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Post by Komrade Kharloth on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:29 pm

STILL COUNTS FUCKNUGGET, IT'S NERD SHIT.

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Post by Furburt on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:29 pm

I think "Boche Buster" Might be slightly too big but otherwise that shit's coo' as hell.

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